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I began researching this individual because she was cited without link in the Effects of the 2008-2009 automotive industry crisis on the United States article, as having written in Forbes in favor of allowing GM to go bankrupt. She was also listed in the List of Northwestern alumni, in red but with a bit of biographical/professional info.

My first move was to put a link in both those places to the Forbes profile. Then I basically, as the "single source" challenge quickly pointed out, used the profile as the basis for the first posting of the article. It was the fact that I think all the corporations on whose boards McGarvie served, and a good number of business sectors (e.g. Property insurance, soft drinks) had Wiki articles on them that made it seem worth the (fairly drudge-worthy) conversion of the profile into the article.

Even before the single-source challenge, though, I myself recognized the weakness of the article, and was into producing the "publications" section of the article fairly deeply when I got an edit conflict, I'm guessing for the "speedy deletion" addition.

I've now said "hangon" and added what more I've found on the individual's publications and areas of interest to the article.

I'm able to see the logic of the "speedy deletion" challenge, and the possibility that it still applies to this article, even with the additional information/sources. However, I think the corporate links and her, I have come to feel, quite impressive publications list (about and by), do warrant her having her own article.

By way of a little more background, I've spent quite a bit of time, for Wikipedia, with the Obama administration and the links of individuals and institutions -- e.g. the SEC, the new President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board (PERAB) (cross-link via David F. Swensen to The New York Times' and its current financial troubles; the Muckety (Monica Lozano, in the PERAB article) and Business Week (Mark Gallogly and Centerbridge Partners, there) cross-connection lists) .... I could go on. Oh, yeh. The renamed, somewhat revamped White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships: I put in a lot of time organizing and linking the new membership list, and integrating a piece of, yes, questioning, but I think worthwhile-to-consider, opinion. With the SEC, I did a lot of work to get the Category list up to date (adding the SEC-link to a dozen or more individuals' articles), finding lost links, upgrading individual articles, .... I guess you can look at my contributions-list if you want.

Anyway, tonight's article fits in with this overall effort -- McGarvie's stepped into one of the really tough current economic debates of a really touch economic time. Wiki had and has her piece of the debate, and I wanted someone who came to Wiki to learn more on the subject of, here, the auto bailout to be able to link to who it is who's opining on the subject. I did, literally, go back and forth -- did the conversion of the profile to the article almost completely once, dropped it and lost the work, then realized all those connections would be lost if someone just went to the Forbes profile so ... went back to it.

I do think the PERAB work is pretty special .... ... Larry Mishel was in the Paul Krugman list in red, in the article, and that just required a simple fix (though it took a while to stumble on the first-name glitch). That led to the Economic Policy Institute and Jared Bernstein, with what I think were improvements and additions of modest but not usually "small" scale all along the way. All this stuff ... feels important, both the base-line material I've found in Wiki to start, and what I've added. Hope it does to you, too. (Special in the sense that ... the articles could have gotten along without it, but they are a good deal richer for the work, and I can imagine a user gaining from the work.)

Having gone quite to town in my backgrounder and rationale, now, I recognize that the work of mine I'm highlighting may also just highlight to you problems which the speedy-delete wouldn't pick up but which you'd now like to address as well, with me. I hope you'll feel free to. If I've gone astray, I will take direction and work to fix other such problems as well. I hope, still, though, that such other problems won't sink this particular new article. It may be a little in a "gray zone," even yet, but I think it's headed in a good direction. I hope you do too. Guidance welcome. Cheers.

Thanks for your attentions.Swliv (talk) 03:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the speedy tag. It's not often that someone offers such an extensive defense on the notability of an article subject. I hope to see this article grow in quality and quantity, especially valid third-party sources (see WP:RS and WP:V). Good luck! §FreeRangeFrog 03:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I promised ongoing commitment to build the article ... but I take your words to heart; and appreciate your action. You can bet (a) I'll now go make two links to the article and (b) I'll sure know it when I happen to encounter the name again. ... The phrase "biography of a living person," even without having read more on it, has added gravity to this whole discussion. (Will I reconsider ... again? ... I don't know. ... But I'm glad to be in the dialogue.)

I came back to add another line of rationale: ... which I've now forgotten. Hoping none of the pre- and proscriptions in the form headers now on this talk page are aimed at my "talk."

Well, on we go, ... hopefully wiser. Thanks again.Swliv (talk) 05:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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